Force vs Force

Force vs Force is a third-row Primary knowledge that adds +2 damage against MOAB-class bloons to every projectile from Juggernaut, Ultra-Juggernaut and the Apex Plasma Master. You need 5 Knowledge Points in the Primary tree and Crossbow Reach. It costs one point and has nothing below it.

How it changes the game

Juggernaut (4-x-x Dart Monkey) throws a huge spiked ball that rolls through bloons, breaks Ceramics very well and pops Lead and Frozen bloons. Its known weakness is blimps: the ball has plenty of pierce but low damage per hit against MOABs and bigger. A flat +2 per hit closes part of that gap:

• Juggernaut: each ball deals noticeably more to MOABs and BFBs, which helps on rounds 40 to 60 when the first blimps show up.
• Ultra-Juggernaut (5-x-x): the bonus applies to its projectiles and to the smaller balls it splits into, so every fragment that touches a blimp hits harder.
• Apex Plasma Master: the Dart Monkey Paragon gets the bonus on its projectiles too. On a tower that already deals very high damage, +2 is a small percentage.

The bonus only counts against MOAB-class targets. It does not change damage to Ceramics or smaller bloons, and it does not affect Spike-o-pult or other Dart Monkey paths. Boss Bloons count as MOAB-class for this kind of bonus, so a Juggernaut-based Boss Event setup gains a little too.

Is it worth it?

Priority: situational. If Juggernaut or Ultra-Juggernaut is part of your normal play, especially on maps where its bouncing ball covers the track many times, Force vs Force is a real improvement. For most other players it is a filler node that adds points toward the 8 and 10 point thresholds of deeper rows.

Its sibling, 4 And 4, is far more important, because it leads to Master Double Cross, Bonus Monkey! and More Cash. Buy 4 And 4 first, then pick up Force vs Force when you need a cheap point.

Where it works

Force vs Force is active wherever Monkey Knowledge is enabled: Standard games, Impoppable, Primary Only, Races and Boss Events. It is off in CHIMPS and in challenges whose rules disable knowledge. A Juggernaut that just manages the first MOAB rounds with this bonus may need support when knowledge is off.

Frequently asked questions

What does Force vs Force do?

It gives Juggernaut, Ultra-Juggernaut and Apex Plasma Master projectiles +2 damage against MOAB-class bloons.

Does Force vs Force affect Ultra-Juggernaut's small balls?

Yes. The bonus applies to all its projectiles, including the ones it splits into.

Does it increase damage to Ceramics?

No. Only MOAB-class bloons take the extra damage.

Should I take Force vs Force or 4 And 4 first?

4 And 4, because it leads to Master Double Cross and More Cash.